![]() Thrasymachus says that a ruler cannot make mistakes. Socrates then argues that rulers can pass bad laws, "bad" in the sense that they do not serve the interest of the rulers. People in power make laws the weaker party (subjects) are supposed to obey the laws, and that is justice: obedience to laws made by the rulers in the interest of the rulers. He then says that justice is whatever is in the interest of the stronger party in a given state justice is thus effected through power by people in power. Thrasymachus says that he will provide the answer if he is provided his fee. What, he says, is Thrasymachus' definition of justice? But Socrates says that he knows that he does not know, at this point, what justice is. ![]() ![]() He regards Socrates' questions as being tedious, and he says, professional teacher of argument that he is, that it is time to stop asking questions and to provide some answers. He objects to the manner in which the argument is proceeding. Polemarchus seems to accept Socrates' argument, but at this point, Thrasymachus jumps into the conversation. ![]()
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